On morality replied by Omnia @ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:23:07 +0800

Omnia — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:23:07 +0800

Originally posted by domonkassyu:

...as for the rest of others' debate..isnt tat damn hitler a catholic???WW1 n WW2 started bcuz the few cath sects were prostituting themselves for political power isnt it?

Yes, I believe Hitler was born Catholic although he obviously wasn't a very good or pious one, seeing how he persecuted and put Catholic priests to death when he was in power (as well as Jews, Gypsies and whoever else he did not like). Your point for raising this ?

listen to worship songs online replied by Drummer Boy @ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:54:43 +0800

Drummer Boy — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:54:43 +0800

Try ModernPraise.com.

Complaint from little sinner in HELL. replied by Miracles&Prophecies @ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:11:25 +0800

Miracles&Prophecies — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:11:25 +0800

Originally posted by Creation1656:

i know there is a G-d, Adonai Elohim, Blessed king of the universe , who sustain both believers n unbelievers till the end of the age. Hashem will not sent believers n unbelievers to eternal hell even if they sin against him. Judaism concept of afterlife is totally different from the pagan beliefs of eternal hell.

Adonai Elohim is truly a great n just King of the Universe, full of grace, peace n love. Unlike some other pagan gods who sent unbelievers to eternal hell.

First of all there is only 1 God for all the people. One. That's why the fate of all living people no matter what religion they are now is the same.

To say that other pagan Gods send unbelievers to hell is not logical because What other pagan Gods?

Read your torah well if your religion is Judaism. Read what Job said about death. read David psalms or if you have it Solomon writings. They are truly wise and knowlegeable when it comes to the concept of death.

And what happen if you live a life of insult to this truly great King of the universe? Death. The second death. You are not a believer of Judaism because they believe in the second death that is the other word for hell.

Complaint from little sinner in HELL. replied by Miracles&Prophecies @ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:03:21 +0800

Miracles&Prophecies — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:03:21 +0800

Originally posted by Servant:

A big hello to everyone as it is my first time here on this forum, nice to meet all of you. Been reading the happenings here for a while, and I thought now is a good a time as any to finally say something

lp, I guess most would agree that He is a God of mercy and justice. To focus on the justice bit, we mere humans will never be able to understand in human logic the justice that God intends for us at the end of our time (just as we will never be able to comprehend His immense love for us). As He chooses to pay the workers who works in his vineyard the same amount regardless of what time they report for work (meaning it's never too late to turn back to Him), we won't be able to 'measure' our sins in human logical terms. Only God has the wisdom and power to do so. Do we even know for sure that Hitler and other infamous personalities are in hell now?

He does not 'cure' our souls by burning them in Hell's fire. While we were created in His own likeness with love, our fallen nature (through the sins of Adam and Eve) allows us to be tempted by the devil, and this is where we make our choice to follow God or forget about Him.

And the bad news is that hell is for all eternity, unless you are talking about the temporal aspect of Purgatory.

Let us not try not to 'box' God into a corner in our logical and human minds, that more often than not let us down in our pursuit of Christian goodness.

May the grace, peace and love of God be upon you

Graceful must have come from good environment, education and most importantly good genes. It's been awhile since the last time someone wrote like this.

Welcome to the forum.

Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God replied by Miracles&Prophecies @ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:58:52 +0800

Miracles&Prophecies — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:58:52 +0800

I'm listening to you Ipirate. I seek God. What do you want to talk about.

SGforum is notorious for its rude and sarcastic people. They come in abundant numbers.

Sometimes you need to be tough and try to reprimand them but most of the time why waste typing the letters because somehow they don't listen. Just carry on.

On morality replied by 24/7 @ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:37:43 +0800

24/7 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:37:43 +0800

Hi domon,

Welcome back. Sorry to hear about the demon attack, but glad u made it with ur faith still intact.

does it not make it contradict so many other verses tat says no man see God yet live idea??

Correct. Exactly what I'm saying. So question then is, Jacob said he had seen God face to face (Gen 32:30) wrestled but didnt die, Abraham saw God but didn't die. So who was the person that Abraham was talking to? I contend that it was God taking on human form for a while, it was God the Son.

doesnt it makes more sense that they actually were more symbolic n in the case of abraham, saw 3 angels who then went on to Lot?

and you can't say it's symbolic because Abraham clearly calls him 'adonai', meaning Lord, means he understood who that guest really was. Genesis 18:1, "the LORD appeared..." Hebrew, this meant YHWH (u can look up Strong's Hebrew)- appeared to Abraham. He was present! Would Abraham be so bold as to call angels a name reserved only for God? So no, those 3 cannot be all angels.

Actually, only 2 angels went on to Lot. In Gen 18:33, the LORD left. In fact, in Gen 19:2, Lot addressed the remaining 2 angels as "my lords" translated adoni.

Out of the 3 persons that Abraham saw, one of them was clearly God. It cannot be mere angels because Abraham called one of them YHWH. But recall that God doesn't contradict himself, e.g. let humans see him and yet live, so that person he saw must be God who came in human form - God the Son.

will u choose to confuse readers what kind of a person u are??or explain clearly what u are??is not the bible a biography of God too??if trinity stands??should he not therefore in his loving kindness tell his, " hey look yo, im not jus 1 God, but there are 3 sides of me.."

the bible is a revelation of God, tells us who He is (enough for us to believe unto Him). And the bible did reveal Him as trinity - early church understood that Jesus was God (Phil 2:5-11), Paul recognized Jesus as God (Titus 2:9). There are also other attributes of God that are reliably deduced from Scripture but the specific terms were not used within it (e.g. omniscient, omnipresent). There's nothing wrong with the trinitarian understanding, it's not pagan, it's not unbiblical. Faithful Christians were just deducing from the bible what God is.

much easier if we were talkin instead of typin.

pls exclude the other unnecessary details then. But forgive me this... pls explain about "How then does worship look like?" How was God worshipped in the bible? not just by giving "a loud praise" right? other wise i would have worshipped many people already.

Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God replied by noahnoah @ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:28:33 +0800

noahnoah — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:28:33 +0800

Seek God?

Look at the downturn market now

Who still want to seek God

when everyone is asking What is God doing now?

Sitting there waiting for the market to collapse

Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God replied by 24/7 @ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:23:07 +0800

24/7 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:23:07 +0800

Hi ipirate,

Are any here looking for God?

If our definition of God is the same, then no. Nobody seeks God, according to Romans 3. In fact, even if truth is recognized, it's being suppressed (Romans 1:18-19).

I am going to Hell but not for long. replied by 24/7 @ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:08:16 +0800

24/7 — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:08:16 +0800

Hi ipirate

Not all sin are the same.

Says who? Sin is also explained as missing the mark. Missing God's perfect standard. Either/or. There's no halfway in between.

To treat them as the same is unjust.

Unjust? According to whose standards?

Is killing the same as a lie fool?

To you, no (but who cares?). To God, yes.

Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God replied by Ipirate @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:10:48 +0800

Ipirate — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:10:48 +0800

Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God.

It is possible that preach could have been added to the above but I thought it unnecessary.

In my journey through forums of this type, I have seen many defend their various positions with varied skill and seen debates go nowhere. I did see one person of the hundreds of whom I track actually change his mind on an issue.

If none of us come here to have our mind changed then why bother?

It occurred to me that perhaps, the underlying motivation of all here, in this tower of babble, where all listen but none hear, that we were all questioning our own thinking and that we were all searching for a new God. Or at best here, a Name to follow.

It calls the question, Are any here looking for God?

Regards

City Harvest Church? replied by Q.C.Pak @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:27:10 +0800

Q.C.Pak — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:27:10 +0800

Originally posted by youyayu:

u will get sick of those girls and then see guys

LOL

o....

that's a serious society issue currently on Earth

City Harvest Church? replied by youyayu @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:24:57 +0800

youyayu — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:24:57 +0800

Originally posted by Q.C.Pak:

"u will have to different feeling" means wat sia?

u will get sick of those girls and then see guys

LOL

City Harvest Church? replied by Q.C.Pak @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:21:35 +0800

Q.C.Pak — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:21:35 +0800

Originally posted by youyayu:

true.. really there alot of girls...

but.. after a long time there.. u will have to different feeling

"u will have to different feeling" means wat sia?

City Harvest Church? replied by youyayu @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:20:38 +0800

youyayu — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:20:38 +0800

Originally posted by Rafeash:

Bored, I suggest you take a look too around the world. You will find many "disco" churches around, if I could use your terms. It does not feel like a church to you, but then again, your feelings are ultimately a matter of perspectives, no distinct right or wrong. Yea?
In your earlier post you mentioned city harvest preaches a distorted version of the bible. So, what is this distorted version of the bible? Care to share with us? You quoted well with your verses. But do also remember, anyone can read verses and subject themselves to their own perceptions of it. The important thing to note is we are at peace in God with our perceptions, and that these same perceptions are in line with the commandments of God.

HyperionDCZ, based on your comment, I really think you have an issue with CHC. I would wonder if it was antagonism or based on pure facts. No one adapts to any church just like that. It is important to find your own church, one whom you can flow with God's vision for it, and remain rooted in it. Devotion is not based on the type of church you are placed in. Devotion first comes from the heart, then in the commitment towards the church you are comfortable in. -.-"'

Creation1656, you are another person who can quote really well. Unfortunately I have to disagree with your views on Tithe. Yes, the purpose of "tithe" mentioned in Leviticus (or Malachi since you did not state clearly) may, according to you, may be for temple worship. However, please also find that the word tithe, is mentioned in the bible as early as Genesis in 14:20, where King Melchizedek gave, directly to Abram, a "tithe of all". And, btw, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithe for its definition too. Even a "secular" "dictionary" could understand how tithes come about. So, I find it difficult to believe that "tithes", are reserved for temple worship only. And, btw, we are living in the 21st century, not in the OT leh. God's word is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. So, I find it difficult to understand also, your stand that we need to know the true meaning of tithing. Further, you quoted Levi and referred to its context. But, I feel you also need to see it in context of today's world la. And, a small point, but why do you keep referring God with Hashem. Is your revelation of God only Hashem that you find it difficult to use "God" instead? Sorry, I just find that typing 3 letters seem simpler. Heh.

well said

City Harvest Church? replied by youyayu @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:19:58 +0800

youyayu — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:19:58 +0800

Originally posted by Q.C.Pak:

My friends always tell me they join City Harvest Church to know gals...

true.. really there alot of girls...

but.. after a long time there.. u will have to different feeling

City Harvest Church? replied by Q.C.Pak @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:16:47 +0800

Q.C.Pak — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:16:47 +0800

My friends always tell me they join City Harvest Church to know gals...

Complaint from little sinner in HELL. replied by Creation1656 @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:43:36 +0800

Creation1656 — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:43:36 +0800

i know there is a G-d, Adonai Elohim, Blessed king of the universe , who sustain both believers n unbelievers till the end of the age. Hashem will not sent believers n unbelievers to eternal hell even if they sin against him. Judaism concept of afterlife is totally different from the pagan beliefs of eternal hell.

Adonai Elohim is truly a great n just King of the Universe, full of grace, peace n love. Unlike some other pagan gods who sent unbelievers to eternal hell.

City Harvest Church? replied by Creation1656 @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:19:26 +0800

Creation1656 — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:19:26 +0800

Originally posted by Rafeash:

However, please also find that the word tithe, is mentioned in the bible as early as Genesis in 14:20, where King Melchizedek gave, directly to Abram, a "tithe of all".

Hi Rafeash, since u brought up Genesis 14:20, i would like to give u a cut n paste answer from this christian website:

http://www.tithingdebate.com/DeJongRebuttal.html

KELLY: DeJong is placing words into Abraham’s mouth which are not found in Scripture. From my essay:

For the following reasons, Genesis 14:20 cannot be used as an example for Christians to tithe. (1) The Bible does not say that Abraham "freely" gave this tithe. (2) Abraham’s gift was NOT a holy tithe from God’s holy land gathered by God’s holy people under God’s holy Old Covenant. (3) Abraham’s tithe was only from pagan spoils of war common to many nations. (4) In Numbers 31, God only required 1% of spoils of war. (5) Abraham’s tithe to Melchizedek was a one-time recorded event. (6) Abraham’s tithe was not from his own personal property. (7) Abraham kept nothing for himself; he gave everything back. (8) Abraham’s tithe is not quoted anywhere in the Bible to endorse tithing. (9) Genesis 14, verse 21, is the key text. Since most commentaries explain verse 21 as an example of pagan Arab tradition, it is contradictory to explain the 90% of verse 21 as pagan, while insisting that the 10% of verse 20 was God’s will. (10) If Abraham is an example for Christians to give 10% to God, then he should also be an example for Christians to give the other 90% to Satan, or to the king of Sodom! (11) Since neither Abraham nor Jacob had a Levitical priesthood to support, they had no place to bring tithes and probably left food for the poor at their altars.

And, a small point, but why do you keep referring God with Hashem. Is your revelation of God only Hashem that you find it difficult to use "God" instead? Sorry, I just find that typing 3 letters seem simpler. Heh.

We refers to G-d as Hashem cos we dun want to transgress Hashem commandment:

'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain. Deu 5:11 (NASB).

City Harvest Church? replied by domonkassyu @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:54:23 +0800

domonkassyu — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:54:23 +0800

Originally posted by o0xander0o:

hey, guys, if you have not yet to grasp the facts in the bible of who Jesus is during his earthly ministry then don't use any of it.

Jesus is the Son of God, (everyone who believe knows) But Jesus was a carpenter before his ministry got started. at that point of time, carpentry is considered as one of the professional jobs if brought into modern context. Seamless was His robe that he wore, and if the robe is not precious or expensive, why would the roman soldiers cast lot over it?

all of his disciples were rich men, fishermens, unlike now, they were professionals. and same goes to the rest. when Jesus told the disciples to feed the congregation or the crowd of thousands, have he thought of it" will they have the money to pay for it?", No, He just gave the orders to do so. because he knew that they have the money to do so.

Our God is heaven is El Shaddai, God of all sufficiency, or simple said, God of more than enough. He is never El "Cheapo". so Don't you dare go around and claim that christian should be poor or living a just enough lifestyle. if Abraham have so much of property and herds that he cannot stay in the same land as his nephew Lot, then we of the modern world of today should use all our creativity to think of being the "head and not the tail" being a leader in the society now! instead of whinning or mocking at something that you will never get to establish, why not do something constructive to your future and for your children and your children's children.

and if you claim that christian's should not want to have material wealth, then tommorrow, first thing in the morning, go sell your every thing and give everything away and try to live a non material life.. i can say not even 3 days you will not be able to take it. in this material world, you want to say something, you got to be a someone in your net worth, only then people want to listen.

understand the facts and the reality of this broken world now! open your eyes to see now.

and don't verbally abuse the church, when you don't see the real things happening.

correct me if im wrong.....there was a rich ass who loved wat jc teached...n went on toblock jc passage to ask him wat cld be done to get his ass in paradise..jc ask him to sell all his stuff n donate it away...hmm...

n u made jc sounds like he only mingle with rich professionals...take into consideration economy 2000++ years ago is very different den nw too..

Complaint from little sinner in HELL. replied by Servant @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:43:01 +0800

Servant — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:43:01 +0800

A big hello to everyone as it is my first time here on this forum, nice to meet all of you. Been reading the happenings here for a while, and I thought now is a good a time as any to finally say something

lp, I guess most would agree that He is a God of mercy and justice. To focus on the justice bit, we mere humans will never be able to understand in human logic the justice that God intends for us at the end of our time (just as we will never be able to comprehend His immense love for us). As He chooses to pay the workers who works in his vineyard the same amount regardless of what time they report for work (meaning it's never too late to turn back to Him), we won't be able to 'measure' our sins in human logical terms. Only God has the wisdom and power to do so. Do we even know for sure that Hitler and other infamous personalities are in hell now?

He does not 'cure' our souls by burning them in Hell's fire. While we were created in His own likeness with love, our fallen nature (through the sins of Adam and Eve) allows us to be tempted by the devil, and this is where we make our choice to follow God or forget about Him.

And the bad news is that hell is for all eternity, unless you are talking about the temporal aspect of Purgatory.

Let us not try not to 'box' God into a corner in our logical and human minds, that more often than not let us down in our pursuit of Christian goodness.

May the grace, peace and love of God be upon you

On morality replied by domonkassyu @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:40:50 +0800

domonkassyu — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:40:50 +0800

Originally posted by Ipirate:

Eve started things rolling just as God wanted.

She gave us moral sense. She chose to know God instead of remainning ignoran t of right and wrong. The only way to get closer to God. It also created our history. Without her we would have none. She should be venerated above Marie. Withot her we would be as bright as sticks and talking snakes.

I disagree though that evils are different from place to place. Could you give an example.

Regards

DL

eve..lol...eve is the mother of mordern women rights n independence...she wanted to be greater den adam n didnt wanna b in subjection to adam as God designed..tats y she ate the damn fruit 1st...only tat fool of adam loved her too much n fell with her..had he insisted in his stand for God, all would still be in God's care. n God might even forgive eve on adam's a/c

On morality replied by domonkassyu @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:29:20 +0800

domonkassyu — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:29:20 +0800

Originally posted by 24/7:

Part II,

Don't quite understand this part.

There will always be false teachings within the flock. BUT what i was saying is, even more so during the end times. And i do commend the JWs for their discipline. But what was suppressed wasn't JWs, it was the Arians. And those who suppressed them were godly men NOT governments (in fact, in some countries, they're flourishing!). However, it has usually been godly men who refute heresies (Arianism) through biblical councils and conventions.

Trinity is NOT like hinduism. Even Hindus acknoweldge that the Christian Trinity bears any resemblance at all (refer to my previous post), so i don't think you should compare it like that. In fact, Jesus isnt an "aspect" of God. Jesus is God. Not God the Father but God the Son. I refer back to the diagram above for explanation.

was because u asked why didnt those people who worshipped Jesus as God build statues for Him in temples. So i asked u in return, which church would build a statue of God in the first place?

Actually, that would be worshipping me. Think about our modern term "idol worship" and picture crazed fans screaming and jumping at the feet of rock bands and musicians.

How then does worship look like?

U said to determine the act of worship through the "action and heart". So if in this case, it's still not considered worship, then can you tell me how was God worshipped in the Bible? Surely not by just giving "a loud praise" right? If so, i would have "worshipped" a lot of people already. =)

again, each person is fully God but they're not God. Diagram would help.

except that it's not that 1 perfect human's sin Jesus came for, but for multitudes. And anyway, cannot measure it like that. One needs to satisfy God's wrath. Sin is sin. He cannot tolerate any sin at all. Either all or nothing. Don't think there would be an overkill if God the Son was the propitiation for our sins.

much easier if we were talkin instead of typin.

On morality replied by domonkassyu @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:22:47 +0800

domonkassyu — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:22:47 +0800

Originally posted by 24/7:

Hi domon,

Good to know that our discussion hasnt fallen through and we're still having a civil discussion of our differences. Kudos to u for that. =) Just some thoughts on certain issues u raised up.

No, of course not. Even believers now cannot fully understand it. I don't know who are those Catholic scholars u quoted, but the scholars that i've read also say that the Trinity remains a mystery, BUT they choose to subscribe to the revelation of Scripture, and teach what it says.

God is certainly not a God of confusion but Deut 29:29 also says that the secret things belong to Him, and Isaiah 55 tells us His ways are higher than ours, and that there is no One like Him, and there is nothing to which He can be compared. Furthermore, wouldn't you agree that there are certain things that God chooses not to reveal to us? Or as some might say, God has revealed it, but its us Man who are just too damn dull to understand / perceive it?

If this is the way He chose to reveal Himself to us, that's what we've to live with and not impose our man-made conceptions on what God should be like.

Certainly, one doesnt need to be a theologian to understand the Trinity, its the duty of the overseers and the older in faith to teach us that doctrine and help us to understand it. But for the Holy Spirit to illuminate our understanding. Indeed, God did want us to have a relationship with Him, thus sending Jesus to us (e.g. His self-knowledge: "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father") and Immanuel ("God with us", Matt 1:23). As Exodus 33:20 tells us, nobody can see God and live, but in Genesis 18, we see Abraham survived, so did Jacob in Genesis 32 and even wrestled! This can only make sense in the affirmation of John 1:18, which said, "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side has made him known."

That said, I find this diagram quite useful to understand the Trinity.

When theologians refer to the Trinity as a mystery, it's to say that they cannot adequately explain how God can be one, yet co-existing in 3 different persons. It's not a 3 in 1 kind of equation, but more like infinity + infinity + infinity = infinity. Can there be 3(infinity)? And i'm sure someone out there can find a flaw in this illustration, but hey, i tried.

sory it took me eons to reply..had wat i would called a demon attack...the few verses and examples like abraham who survived seeing God..does it not make it contradict so many other verses tat says no man see God yet live idea??n why does man dies upon seeing God? is it not sin that causes man to perish in God's Holiness?so then how can sinful men lik abraham see God Physically yet lived? so then, doesnt it makes more sense that they actually were more symbolic n in the case of abraham, saw 3 angels who then went on to Lot?

likewise..when u write a biography about urself..will u choose to confuse readers what kind of a person u are??or explain clearly what u are??is not the bible a biography of God too??if trinity stands??should he not therefore in his loving kindness tell his, " hey look yo, im not jus 1 God, but there are 3 sides of me.." u get my drift =)

im really glad we are havin this kind of adult discussion where no over passion n irrationality takes place.

as for the rest of others' debate..isnt tat damn hitler a catholic???WW1 n WW2 started bcuz the few cath sects were prostituting themselves for political power isnt it?

On morality replied by Ipirate @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:26:04 +0800

Ipirate — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:26:04 +0800

Eve started things rolling just as God wanted.

She gave us moral sense. She chose to know God instead of remainning ignoran t of right and wrong. The only way to get closer to God. It also created our history. Without her we would have none. She should be venerated above Marie. Withot her we would be as bright as sticks and talking snakes.

I disagree though that evils are different from place to place. Could you give an example.

Regards

I am going to Hell but not for long. replied by Ipirate @ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:13:51 +0800

Ipirate — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:13:51 +0800

M P

All are born to sin and all will go to hell and this is fair to your God.

Not all sin are the same. To treat them as the same is unjust. Is killing the same as a lie fool?

Regards

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